hakuru wrote:

Prabhakaran and his team do their own killing (perhaps they don't leave much to chance)
Rajapakse & his cheerleaders would rather an acoloyte do the blood letting, to keep their own tunics crispy white
No real difference.

Uh-huh.  That's why you would have no problems holding a "peace rally" in Kilinochchi, right?  The same inane sort you hold in Colombo (at great risk, BTW, as Colombo is the very epicenter of the nefarious Mahinda & Friends) at Western taxpayer expense??  Because there's "no real difference?"


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hakuru wrote:

I'm sorry Namdev for not including you in the lot with Taraki and the rest.  Perhaps your post was not as memorable (consider that a compliment).

Oh my what a relief... But forget Namdev; Lets have a discussion on your omnipotent comments on the UTHR and Ketheesh shall we?? If not perhaps you could all do us a favour by shutting that cute little trap of yours?


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Lets have a discussion on your omnipotent comments on the UTHR and Ketheesh shall we??

I think hakaru has realized that he has nothing to back him up here, and is trying to backtrack.

In an article on Katheesh I linked to on another thread DBS Jeyaraj says that Katheesh joined the peace secretariat because he believed Mahinda was genuinely interested in a devolved negotiated solution.

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Lets have a discussion on your omnipotent comments on the UTHR and Ketheesh shall we??

I think hakaru has realized that he has nothing to back him up here, and is trying to backtrack.

On the contrary. I think I've said my bit on the matter.  My allegation of the Ketheesh-EPRLF-UTHR(J) links is based on discussions I have had with those who were once involved in the UTHR-J but have opted out because they disagree with the direction that it has taken.  That nexus, however, is irelevant to the issue of how to beat the Tigers.   Its a point that wasn't lost on namdev and the others whose hackles it raised.  Fact is they'd rather split hairs than come to terms with the fact that the UTHR(J) flag that they wave with vigour, at other times, is now no longer convenient to wave.  Makes them uncomfortable - hence the cheap shots about bootlickin.

Stephen Jones wrote:

In an article on Katheesh I linked to on another thread DBS Jeyaraj says that Katheesh joined the peace secretariat because he believed Mahinda was genuinely interested in a devolved negotiated solution.

SJ, I saw this article. I disagree.  I don't think he saw anything different in Mahinda to what the rest of the world saw and heard.   I also don't think Ketheesh was stupid enough to think he could change the system from within.  'Constructive engagement' was the justification used by Ronald Reagan to do business with South Africa when South Africa was a pariah state to the rest of the World. Its a policy that was blatantly without substance and fiercely attacked by anybody with a conscience, Ketheesh included.  There was no way Ketheesh could have rationalised his decision from that perspective.  

I suspect since Ketheesh, like Rajan Hoole, saw the LTTE as the worst enemy of the Tamil people and he was willing to do anything to ensure the defeat of the LTTE. Even if it meant providing cover to the Chauvinists by being the nominal Tamil in their ranks.  Even if it meant that he was promoting himself up the LTTE hit list!  As long as he was with CPA, his life was not at risk.  Its not that people didn't try to persuade him against making that silly move. Everybody who could, did.

But if he truly believed it to be a means to an end, then fine.  Lets admire the man for his boldness.

My problem with Ketheesh is not so much that he joined SCOPP but that he kept quiet when innocent people were butchered by a few bad eggs in the SLA forces.  If the government had treated those instances as law and order situations then Ketheesh need not have made a stand. But the government didn't.  Instead, the government either tried desperately to make political mileage out of it by blaming the Tigers for every death or they denied knowing anything about it.  Repeated again and again, the pattern smacked of state policy (not unlike the battle against the JVP in laste 80s).  

Ketheesh could not have condoned the policy but he could have put it right by either making a high profile resignation or issuing a statement contradicting the official SLA line on the first such instance.  Not only would that have put the government on the straight and narrow and eventually on a positive footing but it would also have weakened the LTTE's propaganda war.

To me, his silence was deafening.

Worse, he didn't know How to beat the Tigers.


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Dear Namdev

Namdev wrote:

Lets have a discussion on your omnipotent comments on the UTHR and Ketheesh shall we?? If not perhaps you could all do us a favour by shutting that cute little trap of yours?

Hakuru here is apparently more interested in name-dropping and "I've had discussions with so-and-so" than anything substantial.  Not only does he drop names but also cute little phrases like "how to beat the Tigers" (the title of this thread) without explaining his views in any depth.  Name-dropped Pape and Dyan but gave us nothing to think about.  And then he sits here and whines about being called bootlicker.

I empathize with that last bit.  The title of "LTTE bootlicker" is truly unique, and I feel that it cannot be simply handed to anyone.  I myself called Hakuru a bootlicker in response to one of his first posts, and I regret it.  He isn't a bootlicker.  He made at least a token criticism of the LTTE which a true bootlicker cannot do.    

If I were to call him anything at this point, it would be poseur.  But I would rather see if he has anything positive to contribute to this thread than dragging dead Kethesh and the UTHR through the mud.


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hakuru wrote:

Ketheesh could not have condoned the policy but he could have put it right by either making a high profile resignation or issuing a statement contradicting the official SLA line on the first such instance.  Not only would that have put the government on the straight and narrow and eventually on a positive footing but it would also have weakened the LTTE's propaganda war.

To me, his silence was deafening.

Uh-oh, somebody here is painting things in black and white, like those bothersome UTHR moralists.  Where is the "grey" world here so beloved by the NGO poseurs??  Can't we say that Kethesh was simply giving the standard NGO/Norwegian/Ranil response to dastardly acts???

Sheesh, show some consistency!  


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hakuru wrote:

On the contrary. I think I've said my bit on the matter.  My allegation of the Ketheesh-EPRLF-UTHR(J) links is based on discussions I have had with those who were once involved in the UTHR-J but have opted out because they disagree with the direction that it has taken.  That nexus, however, is irelevant to the issue of how to beat the Tigers.   Its a point that wasn't lost on namdev and the others whose hackles it raised.  Fact is they'd rather split hairs than come to terms with the fact that the UTHR(J) flag that they wave with vigour, at other times, is now no longer convenient to wave.  Makes them uncomfortable - hence the cheap shots about bootlickin. .

Sure sure old boy I feel your pain.. Ha ha now your previous statements that were dispensed as if they were FACTS have been conviniently changed in to "allegations".. And these newly reclassified "allegations" are based on your "discussions" with old hands of the UTHR!!.. Of course these purported discussions could have been with green men from Mars and based on those you go around accusing dead people of being people whom they were not. Based on these very same "discussions" for which  NO ONE on this forum have access to, you went on to equate Ketheesh who had never lifted a finger in anger towards anyone with Cowshalyan a very well recognized LTTE butcher..

Statements should be based on FACTS that are verifiable by others in an open forum. All else are just conjecture on your part!!

How would you feel if I were to say that Hakuru is a result of cohabitation between a dog and a monkey .. And I were to back it up based on a "private discussion" I had with the Monkey and his uncle??


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Taraki wrote:

I empathize with that last bit.  The title of "LTTE bootlicker" is truly unique, and I feel that it cannot be simply handed to anyone.  I myself called Hakuru a bootlicker in response to one of his first posts, and I regret it.  He isn't a bootlicker.  He made at least a token criticism of the LTTE which a true bootlicker cannot do.    
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Dear Taraki

OK OK.. If you say so.. Why insult true . by throwing around the title to undeserving folks eh?? I'd say we just call Hakuru.. A Lier.. plain and simple?


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Namdev wrote:

Taraki wrote:

I empathize with that last bit.  The title of "LTTE bootlicker" is truly unique, and I feel that it cannot be simply handed to anyone.  I myself called Hakuru a bootlicker in response to one of his first posts, and I regret it.  He isn't a bootlicker.  He made at least a token criticism of the LTTE which a true bootlicker cannot do.    
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Dear Taraki

OK OK.. If you say so.. Why insult true . by throwing around the title to undeserving folks eh?? I'd say we just call Hakuru.. A Lier.. plain and simple?

gee. thats clever. more petty insults.

now say something of substance about how to beat the tigers. or just continue to show your colours


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Taraki wrote:

Hakuru here is apparently more interested in name-dropping and "I've had discussions with so-and-so" than anything substantial.  Not only does he drop names but also cute little phrases like "how to beat the Tigers" (the title of this thread) without explaining his views in any depth.  Name-dropped Pape and Dyan but gave us nothing to think about.  And then he sits here and whines about being called bootlicker.

Pape was quoted by Dyan and this thread followed Dyan's article titled How to Beat the Tigers.
I noticed you still have
NOTHING TO SAY
about the original article or
about the UTHR-J paragraph that i posted
or about any of the other suggestions people have made
on How to Beat the Tigers

Taraki wrote:

I empathize with that last bit.

rubbish. your name calling only exposed your lack of anything substantial to say. other than of course the childlike fascination of trotting out all the new stuff you've learnt at school.

Taraki wrote:

The title of "LTTE bootlicker" is truly unique, and I feel that it cannot be simply handed to anyone.  I myself called Hakuru a bootlicker in response to one of his first posts, and I regret it...If I were to call him anything at this point, it would be poseur.

oh so thats how you spell the word POSER in French.  So you know french? hmm. Posh no?

BY TRYING SO HARD TO SHOW WHAT YOU DO KNOW, YOU'RE ONLY SHOWING OFF WHAT YOU DON'T.


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hakuru wrote:

gee. thats clever. more petty insults.

now say something of substance about how to beat the tigers. or just continue to show your colours

Ahhh... well I suppose your own "something of substance" was all about insulting a dead man who couldn't speak for himself?? Now I'd say that was pretty CLEVER.


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Namdev wrote:

hakuru wrote:

gee. thats clever. more petty insults.

now say something of substance about how to beat the tigers. or just continue to show your colours

Ahhh... well I suppose your own "something of substance" was all about insulting a dead man who couldn't speak for himself?? Now I'd say that was pretty CLEVER.

notice how I didn't follow your lead and ask you to "shut up" ??

why?

1) if by chance you say something of substance, it will contribute to a healthy discussion on HOW TO BEAT THE TIGERS
alternatively
2) if you continue to show your colours, well...  


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hakuru wrote:

1) if by chance you say something of substance, it will contribute to a healthy discussion on HOW TO BEAT THE TIGERS:

Ahhh.. Thanks for defining what a "healthy discussion" is all about. And all of a sudden how come you remember to go back to "HOW TO BEAT THE TIGERS" when you were the one who strayed from the thread by uttering flasehoods about people who could not defend their good name on this forum?

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2) if you continue to show your colours, well...  

Well my colors are just fine thank you.. It's your lying filth that was exposed for all to see. Sorry mate you can go in circles but nothing can take away the LIES you uttered up to now..


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SJ, I saw this article. I disagree. I don't think he saw anything different in Mahinda to what the rest of the world saw and heard

By which you presumably mean a warmonger and chauvinist. I'm afraid I disagree; I still don't see Mahinda as one - rather as someone confused whom the LTTE has managed to push into the warmongers camp despite himself.

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My problem with Ketheesh is not so much that he joined SCOPP but that he kept quiet when innocent people were butchered by a few bad eggs in the SLA forces.

You say you saw the article but it is not at all clear that you read it through. One thing it says was that Katheesh was exceptionally troubled by these events and was doing his best to gather as much information as possible about the abuses.

Stephen Jones wrote:

By which you presumably mean a warmonger and chauvinist. I'm afraid I disagree; I still don't see Mahinda as one - rather as someone confused whom the LTTE has managed to push into the warmongers camp despite himself.

When Chandrika presented her draft proposal around 2000-2001 to the SLFP for discussion, Mahinda only had two concerns: 1) why the word "unitary" was omitted, and 2) why Buddhism was not given a "special place."  No other comments.

I see Mahinda as somewhat confused, particularly wrt the international scene, but not so confused as you present.  I don't think he was "pushed" into anything.  I see him as trying be the exact opposite of Chandrika, to avoid her mistakes.  He has handed military policy entirely over to the security forces, not trying to poorly micromanage them like Chandrika did.  He is taking it slow and easy with a devolution proposal, dragging things slower than a snail's pace rather than trying to ram something through.


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